mylifemyfaith ([info]mylifemyfaith) wrote,
@ 2008-08-13 22:55:00
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Thoughts on the UCC VS. The Episcopal Church
Thoughts on the UCC VS. The Episcopal Church

This is not necessarily in order of importance!

Things I like about the UCC
1. I am free to interpret the Bible however I like, guided but not limited by the historic creeds and confessions.
2. The Heidelberg Catechism
3. The Calvin Synod's vestments (capes are sexy) and habit of handing the chalice to the people as they take communion
4. Being openly gay and sexually active
5. Leslie Taylor
6. My friends at Zion UCC, who I would miss terribly
7. The UCC's commitment to ecumenism- the standoffishness of the UMC bothered me a great deal, and the Episcopalians are in some ways more standoffish
8. being able to adapt liturgies to each local church's context rather then using the same liturgy everywhere
9. The commitment to social justice, which is not just present but historic as well. See abolitionism, women's ordination, etc…
10. Being a member of an O and A church not 10 miles from the seminary
11. Continuing to attend MTSO
12. Unity in diversity- no denomination splitting fights going on.
13. Gay marriages
14. I felt called to join the UCC

Things I dislike about the UCC
1. The lack of churches in Texas
2. Zwingalian attitudes toward communion
3. Extreme liberalism (may be my imagination plus slanders I've heard)
4. Not saying the creed or a statement of faith in worship at least once a month
5. congregational polity
6. not having standards of faith to rely on (paradox, I know)
7. The attitude that beauty distracts from the worship of god rather then adding to it
8. Too many pastors end up in the UCC

Things I like about the Episcopal Church
1. The Book of Common Prayer, especially the daily office,
2. Weekly communion
3. Bishops, priests and deacons, a Biblical hierarchy
4. Most of the 39 Articles (I am by nature a Calvinist, though by upbringing a Armenian)
5. Having a creed in every worship service
6. Beauty in worship
7. St. Peter's Church people were very friendly
8. Some UCC people I trust think I should be Episcopalian rather then UCC
9. Worship is the primary purpose of a church for me, the Episcopalians seem to agree
10. I instinctively sympathize with the Cavilers rather then the Roundheads, and dislike the Puritans and admire Archbishop Laud
11. Prayers for the dead
12. Being openly gay and sexually active
13. Everyone agrees with me about the Real Presence


Things I dislike about the Episcopal Church
1. Social Snobbery
2. I would be an exile from Texas, for now at least
3. The denomination-splitting fight in the Anglican Communion
4. The intercession of Saints (not an official belief, but it appears in places)
5. Not being able to call gay marriages gay marriages
6. being wedded to one liturgy
7. having to change seminaries
8. I would miss my friends at Zion UCC and feel that I have abandoned them



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[info]amaebi
2008-08-14 03:17 am UTC (link)
So you like Firm Structure?

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[info]mylifemyfaith
2008-08-14 03:43 pm UTC (link)
Yes, very much so. I like having a framework to work in.

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[info]athanasios
2008-08-14 08:29 am UTC (link)
I'm not a big fan of congregational polity. From my experience the "democratic" process is replaced by a oligarchy who maintain the status quo. Although my experience with congregational polity is within a lay-led Unitarian Universalist context, which may be much different in a minister led congregation.

I feel your pain on the snobbery issue. I've seen liberal (classist) snobbery in the UUA. An "upper middle class" sense of elitism.

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[info]mylifemyfaith
2008-08-14 03:45 pm UTC (link)
Ah, yes. The UCC in Ohio tends to be a middle class to lower middle class concern, just like the UMC. This is where my own class tendencies are, so I am comfortable there. The Episcopal church is an upper-middle-class to upper class church, so I encounter some snobbery.

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2008-08-14 03:22 pm UTC (link)
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[info]mylifemyfaith
2008-08-14 03:43 pm UTC (link)
I have read and understand these guidelines.

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[info]athanasios
2008-08-14 05:31 pm UTC (link)
You can now send messages directly to LJ users via an LJ e-mail system. That works nicely and is more private. Just an FYI.

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